tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post1428266045173494697..comments2024-01-07T05:28:45.522-08:00Comments on Thmazing's Thutopia: Svithe: The Mormon-Money BombTh.http://www.blogger.com/profile/16460795570237872290noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-48889665050831909122010-10-18T19:50:05.490-07:002010-10-18T19:50:05.490-07:00Alma 37:6
Now ye may suppose that this is foolish...Alma 37:6<br /><br />Now ye may suppose that this is foolishness in me; but behold I say unto you, that by small and simple things are great things brought to pass; and small means in many instances doth confound the wise.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03872965131931605713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-85974664415029274392010-10-17T22:55:46.005-07:002010-10-17T22:55:46.005-07:00.
Schmetterling has better written up much of wha....<br /><br /><a href="http://theeccentricsage.blogspot.com/2010/10/post-235.html" rel="nofollow">Schmetterling has better written up much of what I think.</a><br /><br />And I agree that the second we stop our self-analysis, we are on the verge of trouble.Th.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16460795570237872290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-68661316490737095232010-10-17T22:41:37.688-07:002010-10-17T22:41:37.688-07:00.
[Edit: Added "fourth" to clarify whic....<br /><br />[<i>Edit: Added "fourth" to clarify which commandment I meant.</i>]Th.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16460795570237872290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-82050714243420849572010-10-17T19:39:43.598-07:002010-10-17T19:39:43.598-07:00Oh, and I also think the idea that "if you ha...Oh, and I also think the idea that "if you have no money you're useless in the Lord's kingdom" is a big load of [undesirable things]. "By small means the Lord can bring about great things." 1 neph 16:29Celia Marie (W.) B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16484176433038759287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-14906069746884213752010-10-17T19:18:27.260-07:002010-10-17T19:18:27.260-07:00Interesting post schmetterling. And now I think I ...Interesting post schmetterling. And now I think I understand this post a little better. I have never in my 30 years come across a Mormon such as described in the post (to my knowledge), so I imagine it can't be crazy wide spread. Or I'm just not looking for it. Or am I a part of it?<br /><br />I am with the Mission Pres., though. The love of money is the root of all evil, but if you love God more than you love money, you can be a very helpful servant in the kingdom with money. I like the "middle class millionaire" description. I do think that some people are prideful in their lack of money, which is also a sin. <br /><br />Also, we're supposed to be self-reliant and that's really hard to do if we're living pay check to pay check, either because we're living beyond our means or because we chose a means that doesn't provide much of a living. <br /><br />Coming from a very similar family situation as yours (7 kids on a teacher's salary), I was always worried about money as a kid. I felt TERRIBLE when I broke my glasses at age 12 because I KNEW my parents didn't have money to replace them (my dad ended up welding them back together kind of). I remember thinking how odd it was that I, a 12 year old, knew that my parents didn't have money. I remember thinking, "This isn't something a 12 year old should have to worry about." <br /><br />I was a total miser, always worried about money and not having enough, yet after I graduated high school, I remember work calling me in on a Sunday. I told them I would only work if they didn't make me clock in. It was the only way I would feel ok about it. My parents taught me to honor the Sabbath and keep it holy. It would then cease to be work and turn into service. <br /><br />So, in closing (at the end of this very long, rambling post), I think we ought to have serious self-reflection on a daily/weekly basis (Sacrament meeting anyone?) to examine our motives, our actions, and see what it is that we really love and how we're manifesting that love outwardly. Because if anything (including money, status, job, etc.) ranks higher than God on our lists, we need to do some repenting.Celia Marie (W.) B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16484176433038759287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-68741079024127597712010-10-17T18:18:03.994-07:002010-10-17T18:18:03.994-07:00Over many years of attending Gospel Doctrine sunda...Over many years of attending Gospel Doctrine sunday school classes and Elders Quorum priesthood classes, I've found people will justify anything they feel is more important than the Lord. We profess certain truths to be absolute as long as they do not interfere with those very things we are justifying in our hearts.<br /><br />Whether we profess conviction to <i>Mormonism</i> or some other religious sect, I don't think it matters. It is human nature to justify one's own actions. Not recognizing personal hypocracy is so very common. An example of this is a recent conversation I heard in the church hallway about the "ground zero" mosque. Certainly, Latter-Day Saints should understand how very wrong it is to persecute others for their beliefs.<br /><br />Though we might try to justify certain actions based on business, there is no real separation of ethics. They are all the same and will ultimately seethe into our whole life. It's true, the teachings of our Lord, that no man can serve God and Mammon.necrodancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10542565281366117182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-30900366488857616702010-10-17T17:22:07.618-07:002010-10-17T17:22:07.618-07:00Yup, it was a post, and now it's on my blog--w...Yup, it was a post, and now it's on my blog--which is good because it didn't relate very directly to this discussion here.<br /><br />I will say, though, that I do feel like there is a lot of Sabbath-day justification. I once visited a ward in eastern Utah, and during an Elders quorum lesson on Sabbath-Day observance, one man got boisterously upset that the teacher had exempted law enforcers, firefighters, and doctors but not people working in the travel industry--"Some people have to travel on Sunday!" he said.<br /><br />I dunno. I'm all in favor of police officers and firefighters and doctors being available on Sunday, but I don't know how easy of a line it is to draw. Do some people have to travel on Sunday? In emergencies, I'd suppose--which is the same justification we give the others.<br /><br />It's hard to say. I guess it is (as I said in my first comment) fairly moot.<br /><br />As to the other point, I think some members of the church do divorce their faith and their employment far more than is healthy, but I don't feel like I have enough life experience to say anything more than that.Schmetterlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188647121762378788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-33393136352771184482010-10-17T12:31:57.156-07:002010-10-17T12:31:57.156-07:00I guess I don't really get what you're get...I guess I don't really get what you're getting at. What do you mean by their spiritual set of ethics and their money set of ethics?Celia Marie (W.) B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16484176433038759287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-9828948766914438862010-10-17T12:24:57.014-07:002010-10-17T12:24:57.014-07:00(And, really, I keep adding subsequent comments be...(And, really, I keep adding subsequent comments because I keep neglecting to get the follow-up comments to be emailed to me.)Schmetterlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188647121762378788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-38974587688041286922010-10-17T12:24:11.008-07:002010-10-17T12:24:11.008-07:00(I just wanted to make sure you knew my first comm...(I just wanted to make sure you knew my first comment wasn't proposing a boycott on the subject.)Schmetterlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188647121762378788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-68778905661513274612010-10-17T12:23:38.141-07:002010-10-17T12:23:38.141-07:00(That said, this is a pet topic of mine that I hav...(That said, this is a pet topic of mine that I have lots of thoughts on, but I, too, have to run off to church just now. Later, I'll draft my thoughts and judge whether I wanna hog your comment strand or just start a post of my own.)Schmetterlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188647121762378788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15224520.post-50822480862547073372010-10-17T12:22:45.726-07:002010-10-17T12:22:45.726-07:00I don't imagine a sweeping claim can be made t...I don't imagine a sweeping claim can be made that will apply very well to Mormons in general (which, to be fair, is kinda what you said in your disclaimer), and it isn't our place to judge individuals, so the point may very well be moot.Schmetterlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188647121762378788noreply@blogger.com